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I recently saw the video where Louis Farrakhan says that by elevating the status of white people you deprive BIPOC and now I think that I have a pretty good understanding of anti-whiteness.
So, why do we have so many nonwhite groups that organize and fight for their own group interests but none for whites? The explanation nonwhites have for this is interesting. You see, they operate under a totally different moral framework than race-aware whites do, and by understanding this we can better combat it.
Firstly, according to the antiwhites, whiteness is a racist social construct created to oppress people of color and deprive them of their land and resources. Because it is essentially a creation myth invented for economic and social gains, it has no basis in reality. Being "white" is then not biological, but purely socio-cultural, and has no bearing on your ability to succeed. The reason why whites are successful is because (according to them) they used their social construct of white identity to take all of the positions of power, resources, and capital for themselves. All inequality is then directly the fault of whites.
Secondly, since white identity is false due to by nature being racist and oppressive, nonwhite identities are justified in fighting against it. Nonwhites are entitled to the same privileges and status as whites, and the only way to gain this under a white system is through group advocacy. This is obviously mirroring a certain ideology created by a Jewish NEET.
Thirdly, since slavery, colonialism, lynchings, and numerous (likely fake) genocides happened because of the racist social construct of white identity (i.e. thinking you're justified in not giving niggers rights because you're white, justifying taking land from indians because they're not white) there can never, EVER, be a moment where Western history is shown in a positive light. White people must be demonized so that they realize what a horrible thing the racist social construct of whiteness is and the atrocities it has caused. This is what motivates these antiwhite shit-tier nigger """"historians"""" like the lady at the 1619 project who was debunked so hard by actually legitimate historians that she chimped out and claimed that white people were rayciss for even thinking of correcting her.
Lastly, as a white person you have inadvertently benefitted from the racist social construct of whiteness and can therefore never understand what it's like to NOT have benefitted from it. This is the most critical point in understanding the leftist psyche. They believe that YOU are the problem and must change NOW so they can get the society they want. That's why you can't correct or police nonwhites when they talk about their experiences with racism, you are eternally entrenched in your white privilege so you can never understand their struggle. Once white people accept their white guilt they can begin the (false) path of overcoming their own racism and making it to the rainbow's end where there's pots of gold and equity for all! "Equity" is a nice buzzword they like to use: it basically means creating a society where people are given what they need according to their race, class, gender, etc.
I think that once you realize modern day leftism is built on these false assumptions you can begin to combat it. Firstly, hit them with biological race being real. Point out that race denial is a recent phenomenon in western countries since the 70's, tops. Point out how the study of race has been demonized since the end of the second world war. Proving that race is a biological reality is the absolute most important thing you will have to accomplish first since it demolishes the false pretenses that most of the other points operate on. History is more tricky since libtards and nonwhites are fed tiny snippets of false information to create a picture of evil, racist, genocidal Europeans. Simply bring up incidents of nonwhites unjustifiably like the Haitian genocide or Nat Turners rebellion (niggers brutally killing children). They will either have to excuse it or worse, justify the deaths of innocent whites. That or you can deboonk popular myths like Tulsa or Emmet Till. I bet you none of them have ever heard an alternative perspective and just blindly believed whatever the media said. If you can make it this far without them getting mad and quitting on you, THEN you can bring up crime/IQ disparities without being dismissed as a loony white supremacist. Too many people sperg out and forget that they are operating under a totally different framework which makes any disparity between blacks and whites the fault of racism. Addressing the moral framing that leftists use comes FIRST, otherwise you will both be bored and frustrated as a devout Christian would debating a Muslim on whether Christ was the son of God with both referring to their own respective holy books which they believe without a shred of doubt. By opening up the difference between racialist biological whiteness versus antiracist sociological whiteness you can begin having a debate.
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i wish midwits could settle for "they are against you and everyone you know and love, if you do not fight for your race's survival they will take it from you" but alas they've been brainwashed
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>>64271>they are against you and everyone you know and love, if you do not fight for your race's survival Saying that doesn't work on someone who literally believes race was invented to create black and brown people and that white identity is inherently toxic and oppressive to people of color (true, considering that would mean white people then aren't obligated to care about BIPOC and would stop giving them gibs or might even trying taking their shit a la european colonialism)
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>>64272>Isn’t subjugation of others just winning? One of the key principles of leftism is slave morality. Why do leftists love supporting the disabled, the mentally ill, the fat, and the poor? Because they valorize weakness as a way to subvert the strong. They are always jealous of the strong, the beautiful, the able-bodied, because they create inequality and remind them how pathetic they are. I don't think you can be a genuine leftist and believe in darwinian selection at the same time because of how much they hate the inequality it creates in humans but not in other animals.
>Maybe we should make everyone as ugly and depressed as me so that everything would be fair!Also a lot of the colonial "genocides" were fake like Wounded Knee and the natives were prone to unprovoked attacks on whites. Actually, a lot of those meme genocides were due to provocation from nonwhites and have more nuance than "yt bad".
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>>64272Fuck off Norway is white, and so is Finland and Sweden. And how the fuck were Iceland a place invaded by whites, the natives are literally white and come from Norway. Trannies are ignorant, and leftist shills just want to hate on white people.
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>>64306"Person" who made that comic should be sent to the jungles and live without his technology that came from "exploitation"
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>>64272>They psychologically believe humanity>my family>my raceThe morality of liberals is flipped on its head
https://www.aei.org/articles/liberals-or-conservatives-whos-really-close-minded/ №64315
>>64267>That or you can deboonk popular myths like Tulsa or Emmet Tilldeboonk them for me
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>>64315Emmet till sexually assaulted a white woman and was killed for it. Later some hack author forged a quote from her saying that she recanted her story when she never did. Mysteriously, the audio recording for her recanting her story never existed while he was able to record his other conversations with her.
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2018/08/21/emmett-till-carolyn-bryant-donham-recant-quote-missing/1017876002/Tulsa happened because a bunch of niggers came into white courtroom with guns after hearing (falsely) that a nog who sexually assaulted a white teenager was going to be lynched.
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>>64267what BIPOCs think is only peripherally important
THOUGHIt's far more important what Jews think, and at the heart of that is Judaism. All the attitudes and tactics you're familiar with from interacting with Jews and analyzing media they produce, it all goes back to their religion. It's their game plan.
But there are barely any people on our side who bother to actually try to understand Judaism.
Christfags immediately lose their shit and go insane as soon as they read about Jesus boiling in feces, and usually don't bother going any further. Martin Luther was the smartest Christfag of all time, and while I still respect him for getting a lot of things right in an era before internet access and very few printed books, he was way off the mark on so many things regarding the Jews.
The closest thing are Christopher Jon Bjerknes and Karl Radl, and neither of them even knows Aramaic or Hebrew, so they don't even have access to many of the most juicy Jewish writings. CJB is also a nutbag with weird theories, but he does dig up a lot of legit and really obscure info.
Nevertheless, I recommend reading their articles and listening to the interviews they've given over the years, and in parallel to do your own reasearch by reading Jewish texts on sefaria.org and watching rabbinical lectures on Youtube.
Here's to start with:
https://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/Epic-Rabbi-Playlist:1https://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/CJB-Rise-Up-720:2 №64332
Just point out that Jews run America
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>>64330>what BIPOCs think is only peripherally important THOUGHIt's not just BIPOCs, you must first understand the ideological and moral framing of whites that Jews promote. It would be better to break the programming first before explaining why they were being programmed and who was doing it.
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>>64267>Thirdly, since slavery, colonialism, lynchings, and numerous (likely fake) genocides happened because of the racist social construct of white identity (i.e. thinking you're justified in not giving niggers rights because you're white, justifying taking land from indians because they're not white) there can never, EVER, be a moment where Western history is shown in a positive lightUkraine proves you wrong, chuddy.
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>>64330As a ChristGOD, I've done my research with Judaism. Der Juden have always been traitors to us, they only aren't anymore because the churches were subverted (this you have to grant me if you uphold that Jews are subverting and consolidating power) to slowly forget WHY the Jews were so hated.
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>>64358I'm not saying the kind of analysis you're doing here is without merit, but you need to understand their actual goals in order to really understand their methods, and even more so to come up with strategies to effectively counter them.
Most importantly, it prevents you from ever engaging in the futile endeavor of trying to make common cause with them like e.g. the AmRen folks or EDL and AfD do.
>>64385the Jewish elites have always viewed Christianity as a blessing for the Jews.
In their eyes, you have prepared the world for the real Messiah by telling all the world about the concept of the Messiah, and you have carried their scriptures into all the world. The Talmud (in late antiquity) briefly mentioned this, while Maimonides (in the middle ages) explained this very thoroughly.
Christian-style opposition to Jews has always been counterproductive.
Christians were always just hostile enough to keep the common Jews from assimilating, but never so ruthless as to actually exterminate them.
In the modern day in particular, it also makes you look crazy and irrational in the eyes of most people.
Centuries of this weird passive-aggressive attitude towards Jews are what have brought us to where we are now, and we need to move past it.
>churches were subvertedwhen you aggressively try converting Jews to your religion, it's normal that they end up subverting your religion.
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>>64398>when you aggressively try converting Jews to your religion, it's normal that they end up subverting your religion.Not him but the niggerloving and zionism you see in churches today is almost solely post WW2. There might have been some nutty Protestants that preached unitarianism and giving Jews a homeland in Israel but Christians were vastly supersessionist (which is objectively a core belief of christianity anyways) and not in any way pro Jew.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_White_OvingtonAs for Catholics, the Nostra Aetate basically made Jews into the eternal victims and condemned antisemitism. No surprise that it was drafted by a gay marxist Jew.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostra_aetatehttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_BaumI do, however, agree that religion is exhausted. The churches are dead and even "conservative" branches are pozzed. We should just give up on trying to claim that evolution isn't real and accept that we can't use religion as a motivating factor for political action like it was over a century ago. That, and the fatal flaw of christianity which allowed jews to become "europeans" if they converted, which only led to jews taking positions of power and subverting everything to death.
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>>64437>the niggerloving and zionism you see in churches today is almost solely post WW2.Jewish converts have a very long history of subverting the Church.
In many instances, their influence was in fact strongly anti-Jewish, as with Jacob Frank, Tomás de Torquemada and Nicholas Donin. The irrational antisemitism which these men promoted served the Jews well, because it prevented the Jews from assimilating. Many of their laws, especially regarding Kosher food, are first and foremost designed to keep Jews apart from Gentiles.
Christianity prevented Europeans from understanding the true evils of the Jewish scriptures, which is why they never identified the Jews as existential enemies but were merely butthurt about how the Jews talk about Jesus. Anti-Jewish Christians like this would have no problem with Karaite Jews.
>There might have been some nutty Protestants that preached unitarianism and giving Jews a homeland in IsraelBritish Israelism has long been a very influential ideology among the British elite. To this day, all males in the royal household are circumcised by Jewish mohels.
As for how Christian Zionism in the US took off, FTN did a good podcast about that (the relevant portion starts about 40 minutes in):
https://therightstuff.biz/2020/12/03/ftn-362-tel-avivevangelism/
>I do, however, agree that religion is exhausted.I didn't say that, nor do I believe it.
In fact, we're currently witnessing the creation of new state religions that include belief in aliens, simulation theory and AI-worship (see Ray Kurzweil).
Much of our ruling class is motivated, at least in part, by religious ideas resulting from an unholy mixture of Kabbalah and Hermeticism with a generally neo-platonic worldview. The WEF crowd see themselves as divine alchemists who deserve to rule over us and exploit us. The Zionists encourage these beliefs so that our elites turn against us. It is an act of flattering the wicked so that they will do your will, as is put forth in Rabbinic writings like picrelated.
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Ian watchin allat
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I am reading all of this
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>>64326>sexually assaultedmeh thats a bit of a stretch
"""catcalled""" at best
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>>64267In the leftist religion slavery of black people is the original sin of white people and the only way to repent is being an "ally" fighting against "whiteness" and hating yourself for your whiteness
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>>64490>British Israelism has long been a very influential ideology among the British elite. To this day, all males in the royal household are circumcised by Jewish mohels.Its not just the british, its fundamentally every aristocracy/nobility/elite in the world.
Jews have a parasitic relationship with a country's elite. Rich people get to pretend "british israelism" or "cels are the lost tribe of Dan" are real and they are in fact God's favorite child, and jews get to rule the country.
Unfortunately there's no real solution to this. People dont really mind being ruled over as long as they can larp as part of the ruling class, and jews sell Divine Right passes to people. Its that easy.
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>>64667>>64326>sexually assaultedmeh thats a bit of a stretch
"""catcalled""" at best
He went behind the back of the counter, grabbed her, and started humping and talking dirty to her. Stop repeating this kike myth.
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>>64490>that videoFuck man, you have no idea what it's like to have grown up with Christians like that.
>in religious school>tell the teacher that relgious Jews refuse to accept Jesus>she says that in the revelation tons of Jews will be accepted into heaven just for being JewsThat reminds me of how I was part of a youth group once and was completely brainwashed with philosemitic garbage to the point that I defended Israel and thought that Jews could do no wrong. I had Zionist friends that would tell me about how persecuted the Jews were. I don't think I have a single Christian relative that isn't a total philosemite.
Thankfully I became an atheist and stopped taking any of this bullshit seriously. I'm actually hoping that religion dies soon so that we can stop beating this dead horse and move on to discussing real shit like how white people evolved differently than niggers.
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I think this is a pretty good update to Ted Kaczynski's writings on leftist psychology
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>>64742It might be how I was introduced to Christianity, but I never had these issues. I converted because of a close friend who immigrated from the middle east (the last parts of it not colonized by desert shitskins) and they seemed very aware of the threat that Judaism poses. I'm not sure if that's a common theme among the old Christian diaspora, but if it is, that says a lot about the total joke the catholic church has turned into. Clearly many pieces of Christ's puzzle have been burned by the catholics/protestants.
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>>64745> I converted because of a close friend who immigrated from the middle east (the last parts of it not colonized by desert shitskins) and they seemed very aware of the threat that Judaism poses.That's because they come from an area where religious affiliations actually matter and for the most part people are
born into their faith. It's not like the West where people have more autonomy with what they believe in: your religion shapes what community you grow up in, what your name is, what a big portion of your life will revolve around, etc. I can understand why someone with a very strong Christian identity would view themselves in opposition to Jews and Muslims.
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I never actually looked into Emett Till but I know that the tulsa death tolls were highly exaggerated and the "black wall street" thing was total bullshit
№64767
>>64763It's the same with this "indigenous genocide" bullshit in Canada.
>Nonwhite claims an atrocity happened with no evidence >Everyone in the media sides with them>Anyone who doubts that it happened is called racist>Once they figure out that the claim was bullshit everyone has forgotten about it>by that time the damage on the reputation of whites has already been done and no one is seeking to investigate further>Wash, rinse, repeat №64773
>>64763Yes, but it's clear that the rot in the catholic church has already reached the top. It is no longer a problem exclusive to cattle who believe whatever and authority figure tells them. It is a problem of the authority itself. The point of my post is more a matter of if this moral and cultural rot can be cleaned out of the church, or if the whole church has to be uprooted. Or what those 2 options would even entail. Or if we even need to.
It's an interesting line of thought to me.
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Gemmy opening post
>>64767Fun fact: Native Americans have the highest rate of psychopaths of all ethnic groups. Even higher rate than niggers!
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>>64773>or if the whole church has to be uprooted.This seems more likely. I'm an atheist but I think some parts of Christian Identity are cool and would support spreading their message to other White People. If Black Hebrew Israelites can street preach in goofy costumes and gain support why can't we?
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>>64775>I think some parts of Christian Identity are cool and would support spreading their message to other White PeopleC.I. is a failed experiment. Look at the people who got into it. They're some of the dumbest and most repulsive White people there are. I'm not aware of them having built anything useful.
And by now Christianity in the West is very rapidly dying anyway, especially among the more educated classes, so the whole idea of psy-oping Christians into thinking
we wuz the real kikez is losing its usefulness.
If you want to construct a pro-European religion that appeals to people with triple-digit IQ, there's plenty of material in the Platonic and Hermetic traditions that you could work with. The Jews themselves are stealing all sorts of ideas from the Greeks and call it "Kabbalah" so it's pretty ironic that some people want to throw away our own genuine heritage and instead steal Jewish myths which the Jewish elites themselves are interpreting only allegorically.
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>>64775>If Black Hebrew Israelites can street preach in goofy costumesHow come when you see a group of losers with no political power, your reaction is that you want to be like them?
>why can't we?The media and state are giving them a pass because they're black.
If
you start behaving like this, ordinary Americans will start clamoring for hatespeech laws just to have you obnoxious retards out of the streets.
WN's have already tried marching through the streets and holding up signs while shouting cringy slogans, and it has gotten you nowhere.
Why not try something new, something useful?
Go create a small lobby group, sit down with some politicians who seem like they aren't too far gone, and calmly explain to them some of the things you want, and why it's in their own interest to work for your goals. You don't have the means to bribe them like AIPAC does so your success will be limited, but it would at least be a start.
Too bureaucratic for you? Help create a homeschool curriculum for White kids, have kids yourself and raise them properly.
You Americans have free speech, gun rights, homeschooling is legal too, and yet you absolutely refuse to do anything useful with any of these generous liberties you have. I don't get it.
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>>64798Sort of, yeah. There was an Arab who had converted from Islam and talked about how much he loved Jews and Israel now. Most christians don't believe in supersessionism anymore so it's not like you can convince them that Jews are going to hell. I think a lot of them secretly know that their religion is bullshit and completely indefensible, which is why they side with kikes like Ben (((Shapiro))).
Another thing: as someone who grew up in a lot of religious educational environments, people who think that Christian schools protect from globohomo are dumb. The teachers I had were still antiracists and condemned antisemitism. They also still indoctrinate you about slavery and the lolocaust even if they don't push full-on LGBTP+ propaganda. I know of people who were suspended from Christian private schools for saying racist things.
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Midwit dust thread
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>>64822>they don't push full-on LGBTP+ propagandayou sure you're up to date on that?
From what I see, the big protestant churches are gayer than the general public, the Roman Catholic church are about as gay as Republicans and other conservatards, and only the Orthodox are lagging a bit behind.
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>>64895>and only the Orthodox are lagging a bit behindThat's because the Orthodox church is the true church.
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>>64895I hate how pozzed these old, beautiful churches are. It's like Jews are spitting on hundreds of years of history just because the congregations are dying.
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>>65119Yes good goy, hate Christianity! 100 Shekels have been deposited to your digital ID!
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>>64490Vidrel makes me glad I'm a member of the chosen people